Sirius XM: The Real Story Behind Capex and EBITDA

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By David “Newman” Phillips

With the Q2 Conference Call right around the corner for Sirius XM (SIRI), speculation has flared about the earnings roller coaster that will be released at 8 AM EST on August 6th, 2009. Some have been trying to estimate subscriber numbers, while at the same time pointing out that they don’t matter because the key measuring stick should be revenue growth. I am completely in agreement here. (I will mention though that I see the company surprising the street with fewer sub losses than predicted. I see them with a loss of 175-225k subscribers)

For those who have read my articles, you know that I like to dig into what Mel Karmazin says at conference calls and pull out hidden meanings, much like I did with the subscription rate hike, which was confirmed by the company only weeks after my story. I have been mulling over a few comments for a while that seem to have gone unnoticed, even by the sharpest of minds over on the Satwaves Message Boards.

Many people will point out the fact that Sirius XM has projected a positive $350 million EBITDA before Capex. I am here to tell you today, folks, that you are mistaken. At NO TIME has Sirius ever projected $350 positive EBITDA before Capex. The projection that you are thinking of was actually $300 million EBITDA before Capex. That projection was made at the 2008 Merrill Lynch Media Fall Preview Conference on September 9th, 2008. Unfortunately, the audio for this conference is no longer available to hear the actual verbiage, but the Sirius press release is still on file (they do NOT mention Capex in the press release though).  However, in the 2008 Q3 conference call, Mel actually changed that projection, though no one really picked up on it. In the transcript on Seeking Alpha, page 4 has Mel stating:

We have been asked when will we be EBITDA positive and not be a user of cash. Well, the answer is now very clear. It is in 2009 when we will have over $300 million of EBITDA. And after all cash expenses, including satellite expenditures, we will not have net cash outflow for the full year ’09. And this positive trend will continue in subsequent years.

So there you have it, straight from the horse’s mouth. As early as Q3 CC, which was held on November 11th 2008, the company knew that 2009 would be a profitable, or at least break even, year including Capex. What does this mean for shareholders? Well, the Q4 Conference Call is where Mel increased guidance, and raised the projected EBITDA to $350 million, and then again in Q1 where it was stated that EBITDA would be “OVER $350 million”. To avoid confusion, I will summarize a timeline:

  • September 9th 2008: Merrill Lynch conference – Mel states $300 EBITDA BEFORE Capex.
  • Q3 2008 CC: Mel makes the statement above about $300 EBITDA and net cash outflow even WITH Capex.
  • Q4 2008 CC: Mel raises guidance to $350 EBITDA. No mention of Capex here.
  • Q1 2009 CC: Mel again raises guidance to “above” $350 EBITDA. Again, no mention of Capex.

With revenue increases coming from rate hikes, best of both, internet surcharges, and the Apple (APPL) iPhone app subscribers, would it be prudent to expect Cashflow to increase by (about) the same $50+ million?

I believe it is.

David “Newman” Phillips – LONG SIRI

Contact the author by email at newman@satwaves.com

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18 Responses to “Sirius XM: The Real Story Behind Capex and EBITDA”

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  • Jay Fishmanb says:

    Let’s do it!!!! It is surely going to be exciting for this long awaited event! Heaven knows we’ve ALL waited; some longer than others.

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  • RMAN says:

    Wow, that would be nice to surprise the street and scare the shorts!

    Short squeeze!

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  • skyking says:

    That would be the shot heard around the world……sub loss is less of a issue IF eps= 0.00 ……or better

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  • NoWay-Jose says:

    Why does Mel continue to use these words? I want to know when they will be profitable. I could care less about this fake before EDITDA stuff. This is what all the internet companies did back in the day and most of them are now gone. They fooled everyone by using metrics that didn’t mean anything.

    It’s like me bragging I made $XXXX before they withheld anything for taxes, 401k and PSA account. I WISH!

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  • just sirius says:

    Newman

    Great work…I’ve been saying it all along…EBIDTA will be higher than what was being tossed around. Mel always low balls the numbers…But as you pointed out, he actually gives us plenty of advanced notice, but you seem to be the one that notices! Thanks

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  • Paul says:

    Could the mysterious $300 million cash that was talked about last year when Mel stated Sirius had enough money been earmarked for CAPEX? If you remeber, Mel stated several times last year that they had plenty of cash, until the verge of BK. We all asked what happened to that money, is this where it went ?

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  • dean says:

    I agree that Mel is not only giving us advance notice, but @ .43 I’m all in before earnings. I say this has been too fun shorting this stock for an ample amount of time. So .43 is where now I’m ready to go the other way. Thanks

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  • Neal Barkett says:

    Great Work, “NEWMAN”! You deserve a bowl of jumbalia soup.

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  • stang3O2 says:

    Nice work digging that gem up!

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  • gary says:

    am i reading this right as it said we will NOT have positive flows for 2009? typo?

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  • sxminvestor says:

    Ford increased it’s market share in 2nd quarter, which is good news for Sirius cash flow and subs since they are paid up front for Ford. With the worst of auto downturn behind us & GM/Chrysler out of BK, cash for clunkers program kicking in – I would expect momentum to start to build for Sirius subs and revenue starting in this 3rd Q.

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  • hoping says:

    @gary
    “we will not have net cash outflow for the full year ‘09″
    It’s OUTflow

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  • relmor2003 says:

    Plain english. He is stating, after CAPEX, they will be FCF this year. For the ENTIRE year. Not just one quarter.

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  • relmor2003 says:

    Hence, once achieved, no need for a R/S. and delisting will be avoided. No way they price this under $1 if they manage that.Too much smart money would poor in if they tried it, and they know that. There game is almost over.(short side)

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  • johnnyirishxm says:

    Thank you Newman for enlightening us all on this issue,i’ve never heard this prediction or news before…….LOL

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  • JohnWills says:

    Can you please explain how you came up with the numers “175-225k?”

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  • relmor2003 says:

    @johnnyirishxm

    LOL
    LOL
    LOL
    LOL
    Damn I love you.

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  • Steve says:

    NoWay Jose,

    You cannot even compare Siri to the internet companies. They were bubbles with little to no revenues. Siri has revenues and costs are getting under control. This company will prosper when the economy turns. I look at it this way, the company is becoming leaner and meaner. When growth comes back and these cost cutting measures are in place Siri will move fast. GLTA

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